阎伟红 WEIHONG YAN
沃尔夫·罗森塔尔 WOLF ROSENTHAL
时间：7:00am ~ 11:00am, 2017年3月24日
Weihong Yan: 您好！老朋友，四，五年前，就新书《囊括万殊 裁成一相: 中国汉字“六体书”艺术》（简称《六体书》），我们曾有过一次很好的对话。今天我们接着汉字书法的话题交流一下。我提议，谈谈汉字书法与超现实主义绘画之间的联系，以及二者的结合，谈谈我们各自的看法，您看如何？
Wolf Rosenthal: 伟红教授，这个话题选的好！非常的好！这个话题非但西方人喜欢讨论，我想中国人也应该喜欢讨论吧？我不懂你们的文化，以全球化的思考，以艺术是人类共有的语言与财富来探讨这个话题，我想我的推测没有错。
Weihong Yan: 您是一位了不起的记者，您通晓东西方美学，而且是一位开明的”智者“ 。数千年前，人类祖先为了文字的发明探究世界的本来面目与文字的关系，早期的智者上观天象，俯瞰大地，思考宇宙自然界，人类自身和社会之空间环境，我想文字的发明和后来的完善就是源于智者观世界的结果，我们看看5,000年前中国的文字，以中国的甲骨文为例，它无不闪耀着人类文明和探索的精神和光芒......古文字的发明与觉醒从她诞生的一开始就早已映造出了今天某些艺术流派的特征与元素，尤其与你们的西方艺术的历史有着某种微妙的内在纽带和原理性，这就是我想聊的甲骨文其所具有的西方超现实主义艺术的风格，这个提法，据我所把握的知识，还未曾有人提出过。 汉字产生的历史过程也是古时期智者创造人类文明历史的过程。今天和您这样的智者交谈我会学习到很多知识。
Wolf Rosenthal: 谢谢您的恭维，索性我来以本人名字即兴发明一种“WOLF超现实主义文字”吧.....。伟红教授，你的话题引出的高明。文字是人类共同的语言工具，欧洲人的文字源于古埃及象形文字，其中如何演变为今天的拼音文字，我不是专家，我不懂，但是，这种演变过程是人类智者的伟大发明。我就用”智者“一词吧，哈......。无论拼音文字还是中国的象形或表意文字都是人类了不起的发明。从超现实主义艺术与文字的关系来说，欧洲的拼音文字几乎与超现实主义艺术无法挂钩，除非加入设计家的设计理念，拼音文字就其原始形态远远不如中国的汉字与超现实主义艺术有其可比性。纵观世界文字，这样一来，你们的汉字就显得十分独特了。西方人喜欢汉字，还有日本的，韩国的文字等等，我们都很喜欢。我们好奇这些文字图形，对于美化汉字的书法，就愈加喜欢了，加之甲骨文到今天的草书的不同书体变化，哇！我的上帝啊，的确是很神奇！
Weihong Yan: 老兄，您都知道汉字的不同书体啊！了不起！竖两个大拇指给您......吾兄也只有这两个拇指，否则我愿意竖起更多个大拇指。
Wolf Rosenthal: 不是我了不起，是你和赵宏教授了不起，发明出版了《六体书》书籍，让我们欧洲人几乎在三分钟內就可以辨别汉字书体从古自今5,000年的演变过程，几年前我们交谈时，我就说了，你们的《六体书》一书是具有革命性的发明，我们在网上搜索了好多年，从未看到过像《六体书》这样的好书！都是那些让人们看了很乏味，没有任何美感的，难以理解的书法书籍，谁会喜欢，我不知道，但是我不喜欢。我今年70多岁，我应该说话有代表性吧......好了，不抱怨了，说我们的正题，在谈论汉字前，我向知道您怎么理解西方的超现实主义？
Weihong Yan: 再次感谢您对我们《六体书》的评价，很荣幸。关于西方的超现实主义，我不重复书本里的学术定义了，权威性的的定义早已有之。我就以本人的理解，以一个研究语言学的角度，谈谈我的基本看法，超现实主义，从两个层面来理解。第一，从心理学角度看，因为超现实主义其理论背景与弗洛伊德的精神分析学说有密切关系，其强调意识直觉和潜意识（unconsciousness）行为活动，超现实主义艺术家们在创作中，努力要表现的是“冰山理论”中90%那部分，即所说的unconsciousness，超现实主义艺术家们十分喜欢这种consciousness+unconsciousness的体验感受，他们善用各自的直觉体验，现代心理学上称之为“直觉主义”（Intuitionism）；第二，从艺术创作手法和视觉性角度讲，超现实主义是与写实主义对立而言的。超现实主义有两个极端，一个极端是超越真实，即对物象的illogical的概念化表达，例如：在绘画线条中通过非写实中无逻辑的流动规则性构图来表达画家潜意识中的状态，还有一个词叫：automatism，或者称之为automatic drawing，比如，法国艺术大师André Masson／（ 1896 – 1987) - Automatic drawing （图6）是代表人物之一，德国大师西蓓莉也是极其典型的人物（图1-1）和（图2）；第二个极端是，在实写实基础上的超越夸张性，视觉上看到的作品中对物像以极其夸张的语言表诉，与人们通常理解的写实艺术并不一样，同时挑战着写实的视觉习惯，但是，夸张也许不能很好对超现实主义艺术的表诉，应该叫精神体现（unconsciousness reflection）的画风，其艺术语言具有很浓重的fantasy风格，例如：Michael Parkes的作品（图5）就是属于这类。艺术界业内人士说他是”梦幻超写实主义“（magical realism），我不这么认为，对超现实主义艺术风格的界定，应该首先是基于佛洛伊德心理学的理论精神分析学说来判定。Michael Parkes的艺术哲学完全是他潜意识的体现，正如他自己所说的，他的作品是他潜意识中fantasy再现。佛洛依德精神分析学对超现实主义潜意识中的fantasy有针对性研究，再看Michael Parkes的作品，全部是与超现实美女有关的美丽动人的神话故事和画面，给予观者很多fantasy的意境想象的空间。从心理学与词汇学角度解释fantasy一词含义是，一个人长期没有性爱，幻想着性冲动，但无法实现，或者思慕梦中情人，也不得相见， 这种心理意识活动过程叫fantasy。大不列颠词典对fantasy一词是这样解释的：imagining impossible or improbable things.......，叫“impossible／不可能的”，艺术家们通过他们的艺术语言把这种不可能变为了可能。他们的创作过程的心理意识活动是心理学家们对超现实主义艺术心理研究的范畴。我相信您也有fantasy，哈哈，我之所以说这些，是想说西方艺术界对Michael Parkes的艺术哲学的误导实在是遗憾的事情。Michael Parkes明明是超现实主义艺术家，他们却要给他戴上一顶“魔幻般超写实主义”画家帽子。我突然想起来了，西蓓莉女士最近在facebook上传了为悼念中国艺术家任航所画的肖像，这位中国艺术家是一位典型的超现实主义艺术家，任航写的诗歌让我想起了D.H. Lawrence的《儿子与情人》，《儿子与情人》是典型的佛洛依德精神分析学的代表作。任航与D.H. Lawrence都是佛洛依德超现实主义研究的最好对象。这样说来，超现实主义指的是：Unreally, fantastically, illogically reflect artists' consciousness+unconsciousness of realm in their artworks，这是我的定义。艺术史上的典型人物还有是，Salvador Dalí-The Persistence of Memory 1931 (記憶的堅持) （图4）。不知我说清楚否？
Wolf Rosenthal: 精彩！精彩！那么，你对超现实主义理解的理论基础是什么？
Weihong Yan: 我的理论基础很简单，就是我对超现实主义艺术了解的经验，以经验主义（pragmatic）而谈，再加上语言学理论分析出来的定义。
Wolf Rosenthal: Pragmatism 很好！教授们，企业家和政治家们都喜欢这个pragmatic理论, 对不起，打断您的思路了，请继续说......您的经验主义理论，加上语言学理论，非常有趣。
Weihong Yan: 我喜欢经验主义，欧洲泰勒斯 - 西方哲学之父，其主要观点：万物皆用自己的经验来解释自然现象。汉字的发明也是来自于经验主义吧......影响今天美国教育思想的实用主义教育最伟大人物约翰 · 杜威 (John Dewey, October 20, 1859 – June 1, 1952) ，我是杜威的崇拜者......
Wolf Rosenthal: 对，那是智者学派的doctrine学说，又提到“智者”一词。请等等，您说：“汉字的发明也是来自于经验主义吧”，这个comments 精彩！您可以写一篇汉字与经验主义（Pragmatism）的论文了。这个构思简直太有趣了！阎教授。
Weihong Yan: 您还记着我几年前提到的观点啊？ 汉字与经验主义（Pragmatism）。接着说以上超现实主义理解的理论基础的话题，从语言词汇学来说，超现实主义sur-real-ism一词分三部分，前缀／prefix-词根／root-后缀／suffix，sur=prefix，sur意指“over，beyond” （非，超越），“超现实主义” 一词来自法语的Surréalisme（超现实主义），意思是 “超越真实，超越现实”。您理解我的意思了吧，首先是real，然后在此基础上超越(sur-)了real......
Wolf Rosenthal: 的确，您首先从语言学中的词汇学到艺术作品本身，来理解超现实主义概念，既简单，又透彻，好角度！比学术性的定义好理解的多，不过，您的理解也颇有学术性，我很喜欢。我听说中国有3亿人学习英文，给这三亿人解释您的理论，他们更容易理解，当然，他们还要懂得艺术语言，就更好了，很好！您的语言学功底很扎实啊！刚才在您在讲解超现实主义艺术的概念时， 我感觉太精彩了，我很想给你点赞， 但是我还是仔细读完了你的打字。任航的例子很好，欧洲人知道他，喜欢他......西蓓莉也很喜欢他，给他画的肖像也很棒。任航是一位天才艺术家，是中国人的骄傲，他活得真实，我们都知道，life is tough，一个人活得真实需要勇气，还不仅仅是信仰，遗憾他走的太早了。谈到fantasy，人人都有fantasy，生活必需要有fantasy，艺术家尤其需要fantasy！ 都是最美的需要。西蓓莉、达利、毕加索他们的fantasy 尤其发达，我今天70多了，我的fantasy 也很发达，伟红教授的fantasy 一定非常发达，我看得出来，哈。欧洲企业在选设计师时会给你一大堆和fantasy有关的题目作答，难怪奔驰等大公司的设计如此有竞争性。
Weihong Yan: 哈哈哈，您太幽默了，再说fantasy，让我想起了96年我在佛罗里达州家里看电视，有福特汽车公司的一则25秒长的Lincoln Mercury广告，里面有句唱词至今记忆犹性，是这样的，我还会唱: "Imagine yourself in a Mercury now". 哈哈哈。不过fantasy 也是弗洛伊德精神分析学研究的内容之一。好的艺术，使人联想，难以忘怀。
在语言方面，我对其实用性的理解也许非同一般，不是因为我喜欢很多门外语，而是我对知识的思维方式和角度有自我独特的思考和模式。按照我们小时候在中国接受的教育，今天我应该是个“傻子”，我没有受过你们德国人提倡的思维自由教育。我记得在毛社会时代，我的家庭教育是没有知识体系的，我们的父母是解放前生人，中国在解放前没有全国教育体系，我们当时学校的教育不是以学生为中心的教育之父，更谈不上批判性与创新性思维的自由了。家庭的管教是传统的孔老夫子的父道尊严方式，没有思想的自由，也许就是因为太缺少自由和自由思考，因此就有一种挣脱束缚，渴求自由思考的力量在内心不断爆发，因此到现在，几十年来不断在自我cultivate一种批判性思维习惯。中国传统的家庭教育中服从父母是美德，做听话的好孩子，反抗要受惩罚的， 哈哈哈，我母亲是这样要求我们，她的家法甚严，她是今天我们在美国所说的 ”虎妈妈/tiger mother“。 我偏题了......
Wolf Rosenthal: "Imagine yourself in a Mercury now". 哈哈哈， 浪漫主义！情景使人幻想到女人。您没有偏题，我们是聊天，你不是在做学术报告。生活处处都有弗洛伊德的精神分析学说。我看tiger mother好，伟红教授，你的爸爸妈妈培养了你这样优秀的儿子！很敬佩他们。那么，我们来说超现实主义与汉字。说到哪里了，我糊涂了，哈哈哈......
Weihong Yan: 我们说到了我对超现实主义的理解，对不起。
Wolf Rosenthal: 对啊，您的理解极其到位，理解的非常灵活了，很精辟，您给出的定义从艺术角度，哲学角度都阐述的很精辟。短短几个英文单词说明了超现实主义流派的概念，举出的例子，尤其是Micheal 的作品，很大胆，且击中要害，您非常了解西方艺术史中的超现实主义流派啊！汉字书法与超现实主义在我看来确是有联系的意义，听了您以上的理论，我豁然开朗了。从中国人的祖先观象发明汉字，到书法美化汉字，不正是人类观察自然并创造文字的超现实的抽象作品吗！太有趣了啊，我之前从来没有想到过啊！您的《六体书》对我启发太大了，我如不是花大时间看《六体书》，您今天所说的话，我是无法理解的，现在我理解了。那么中国人的祖先是怎么画字呢？他们所画的字，我在您的《六体书》中看到的是图画，例如：馬、山、水、人等等，是这样子的吗？
Weihong Yan: 对不起，书法不是画，是写。
Wolf Rosenthal: 对对，是写，我的思路跑到了超现实主义的绘画上去了。对不起！
Weihong Yan: 是啊，用西方人的眼光看汉字书法，您以上提到《六体书》的汉字书法，馬、山、水等，以你们欧洲人的眼光看，确实是一种东方的人以超现实主义的思想理解自然在文字上的反映了。中国人的祖先在造字时就是从自然中获取信息，以画画的方法造字的，埃及文字也是这样的造字方法。埃及文字和中国文字都很美，但是，埃及文字和中国的古文字是不一样的，中国文字更接近你们西方人的超现实主义绘画思想，而埃及文字则不然了，他们更像是西方绘画中的写实主义文字，埃及的象形文字应该是更具有逻辑性，也就是我们刚才说的logical，绝大部分汉字也具有logical的超现实主义的抽象性文字，illogical的超现实主义与汉字无logical并非一种概念。从汉字文字学角度看汉字，其依然有逻辑性，但，我们今天说的仅仅是以西方超现实主义理念的角度去看汉字书法这种视觉语言的逻辑性。我这里需要补充，否则中国学者会批评我的。
Wolf Rosenthal: 我的上帝啊，确实如此！分析得很到位。我们是拼音文字思维习惯，不懂得象形文字，那么汉字有其规律吗？或者说，汉字的构成有其自然规律吗？符合逻辑性吗？
Weihong Yan: 我方才说了，汉字具有一些illogical和logical，汉字本身是有它的规律的，但是，汉字的理论还未可以完全对汉字的构造规律说得使人容易理解，或者说完全说清楚。汉字有 “六书造字” 法，汉代学者把汉字的构成和使用方式归纳成六种类型，它们是：象形、指事、会意、形声、转注和假借，总称六书。连很多中国人也不十分懂什么是 ”六书造字“，不是个简单的问题，但是，我很敬佩西方有汉学家竟然在研究汉字的”六书“理论，甚至著书立说啊。其中，我记得，最有权威的是英国汉学家，L. C. Hopkins，(1854-1952) ，（https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Charles_Hopkins）莱內欧-霍普金斯很伟大，他研究甲骨文，并收藏了很多甲骨文碎片，去世前他这些甲骨文碎片捐赠给了剑桥大学图书馆。我读过他写的有关六书造字理论的书籍，书中阐述汉字六书的造字原则，很有趣。我在翻译把他的书，这样中国读者可以了解这位汉学家对汉字的研究。他于1874年到过中国，1902年第二次来到中国，就住在我的家乡山西，他还会说山西方言。
Wolf Rosenthal: 太有趣了，德国人也有杰出汉学家，例如：Richard Wilhelm，（(10 May 1873 – 2 March 1930)）和你的好友西蓓莉是同乡；还有今天的雷德侯。伟红教授，中国或者美国有书法研究专业吗？我的意思是书法与西方哲学的跨学科研究专业，您有带博士生吗？我不是在恭维您，因为您的思路非常独特，中西方的文化需要您这样的人来嫁接，这个意义太深远了，对西方和东方都有很大价值。我们要懂得这些西方和东方两个世界的人文交流史。汉字书法作为桥梁纽带是最好的一个切入点啊。我也见过很多从中国来的书法家，和他们交流过，问过他们书法和西方艺术的跨学科研究，他们似乎一无所知，我也问过德国的汉学家，他们对书法也不了解。您选择的这种结合，真是很好！我看到赵教授网站上一句话，说的很妙，他说：“"如果你了解了中國書法，你就了解了中國"。 书法确实是个最好桥梁。
Weihong Yan: 谢谢您的热情和理解！我很感激您对中国文化的热爱！书法其实在中国人眼里是不被理解的，汉字的价值中国人也许视而不见，很多人喜欢崇洋媚外，很可怕，自己的文明那么有价值，却忽视她！很痛心。中国人没有几个了解甲骨文，少！很少！
Wolf Rosenthal: 我听说了，我知道，秦始皇有焚书坑儒，今天21世纪了，情况一定会好了吧？ 对不起，我希望我没有冒犯你们的文化。
Weihong Yan: 今天我们在这里谈论汉字书法与超现实主义艺术的关联。需要具有东西方的文化知识背景，否则何以谈道家的浪漫，与阿婆罗精神***, 又如何论道儒家的理智，与戴尼奥索斯精神呢！ 更不可能拿汉字书法与超现实主义对比。我们做教授的，有些人喜欢深奥学术题材的东西，可是，二十一世纪的学问是离不开critical thinking, 和innovation。说来说去，总之，东西方有着其共同的思维。今天的中国人在苦苦寻求东西方的共性，以找到推广中国文化的切入点，其实学学东西方的哲学也许就可以为很多的学科找到文化融入世界的解决方案了。 说到21世纪的书法现状，很遗憾，中国还没有对汉字书法文化的一个百年大计的战略，也没有听到有书法与西方学科的跨学科的研究。
Wolf Rosenthal: 您说的道家与阿婆罗精神***, 儒家与戴尼奥索斯精神，是西方与东方浪漫与理智精神的对比吗？中西融合比较，这是个重点，需要推广您的思想。我赞成，就像上次我们的对话。我记得您曾说过： “不管是艺术还是哲学，也不管是西方还是东方，艺术使全世界团结在一起， (Art Unites the People of the Earth.) 我们都拥有相同的智慧，东西方的审美和创作思想各有其方法论，所得结果却是相同的，最终我们殊途同归了，中国书法风格与西方简约主义(Minimalism)不谋而合就是最好的例子，真是神奇！” ......
德国有几万家博物馆，他们重在教育项目，国家资助，学生们到博物馆去，从小就受艺术教育，吸收多文化智慧，于教育之中，因此我们有奔驰，宝马，哈哈哈，都是中国的土豪最喜欢的东东，哈哈哈！我在说中国的网络流行buzz word。我也赛几句......我们真是在随意聊天。那么再说书法与超现实主义的联系。我看汉字书法是一个宇宙般无限大的宝藏啊， 这是我在看您的社交网站上的书法文化的介绍得出的观点。是这样的吗？
Weihong Yan: 哈哈，您的中国话说得很好！您说得对，就此，我有很多的想法，汉字书法不单单是和超现实主义艺术有着密切的联系，同时他可以和很多其他学科联系，例如数学、建筑、设计、工程等等联系起来，当然还有今天我们所脱离不开的大趋势，数字时代的技术，未来的人工智能，等等，只要你能想到的。汉字书法最大的价值是：它能给人类带来巨大的启迪，这是无与伦比的。我记得西方有一个学者曾经说到，汉字书法有着其无限性，犹如宇宙的无限性。我需要查一查这位学者的具体名字。在美国的教育中，我们提倡的是创新，创新最需要源泉方才获得启迪，什么可以启迪你的学生去创新一种新的发明呢？任何一种东西都有可能，但是，汉字书法作为一种5000年的文明是一个完整的精密体系，她给今天的教育带来的不仅仅是启迪，可能还有更大的价值，犹如您刚才所说的，“六书”没有解释好汉字的造字问题，我们为什么不去完善它呢？ 提出问题才有解决问题的可能性，这不是我说的，是爱因斯坦的名言。
Wolf Rosenthal: 其实，伟红教授，我们今天不是在单单谈书法与超现实主义，是在谈哲学，和您这位智者对话，谈我们对西方和东方文化在人文方面的认识，确实是很重要。教育解放思想，您受到过很好的教育啊！看您今天的思路如涌泉一般，很喜欢听您的这套哲学，通过艺术谈哲学，本来就是古希腊的学说。哲学与art 是一家。古时的希腊学术体系，art不是今天的art， 他是人文学院的综合学科。我有个问题，中国有超现实主义吗？普及吗？
Weihong Yan: 深刻，基础人文学科，这是一个常识性问题，学术的研究就应该从常识中获取，深奥的学问，未必比常识更实用，而且，有可能误导学生，同时也没有pragmatic的价值。诺贝尔得奖者Eric Kandel, 哥伦比亚大学的脑神经科学家从蜗牛身上发现了人类记忆的科学；达芬奇喜欢观察蝴蝶，了解蝴蝶飞的快慢的原因，按照Walter Isaacson讲述，达芬奇还观察光照射在树叶上所产生出不同形状的影子，然后他开始研究这些影子形态。我也会强迫自己像达芬奇那样去思考问题，和观察周围的事物，从生活中的常识中寻求创新。想象达芬奇如果像我们现在一样有电脑，他就会用电脑存留很多试验性的素材。不过达芬奇也很幸运，在他出生的1452年正是欧洲第一个印刷厂的诞生，我记得在德国的Gutenberg（ where sets up a printing shop世界最早的印刷厂，后来开设了世界最早的印刷博物馆）有了纸张和印刷机，使得他留下了7000多份手稿。
我们回到正题，我记得您曾问，中国有超现实主义吗？中国有！如果按照我对超现实主义的理解的话，中国的当代艺术思潮，就是一种超现实主义思潮，非但世界当代艺术创作受到超现实主义的影响非常之大， 中国也不例外，当代艺术本身就很超现实，中国艺术家的创作语言很‘当代’，所以，中国当代艺术家很‘超现实’。甚至，法国著名的艺术评论家和策展人Didier Ottinger说：“中国的艺术现状已经超越了这个阶段。”
Wolf Rosenthal: 您将来会把汉字书法和超现实主义真正结合在一起去研究吗？
Weihong Yan: 会的，尤其还会以心理学和脑科学理论来研究汉字的产生，汉字书法与西方学科的跨学科研究是一个很好的方向。超现实主义在上个世纪风起云涌的艺术运动至今，非但没有没落，而成为了世界艺术的主流，从美国中小学艺术教育来看，超现实主义教育与当代艺术结合，生成出了跨学科的新型艺术，可想超现实主义艺术教育的魅力之大。我和赵宏教授坚定信心走汉字书法的跨学科之路，我们要通过哲学无论是汉字书法与超现实主义的研究引领域的创新方向，同时要努力建立我们自己的学术体系，非但重在国际化的教育，同时重在与商业的结合，使之体现金钱价值。
在与您交谈的此时此刻，我的意识中出现了很多汉字书法与超现实主义的幻觉，这种幻觉是不是佛洛依德心理学所讲的unconciousness，或者，是瓦西里 · 康定斯基的联觉（Synesthesia）。为什么会这样，我想可能是深受超现实主义艺术的影响吧。在准确的定义超现实主义时，是离不开佛洛依德心理学的潜意识要素的，而汉字书法艺术的特性就具有很丰富的unconciousness，因此我为什么非常自信把书法与超现实主义艺术哲学结合在一起来对比，我想这是一个主要原因吧。 总之，书法与超现实主义的对话，可以确定地说，无论其理论基础，还是艺术表现，都是有巨大的可比性的。这是一个很好的发现，在过去的六年中，西蓓莉女士、赵宏教授和我一直致力于汉字书法与超现实主义的结合的实验。创作出了大量的超现实主义汉字作品，这在艺术史上也是前所未有的研究项目。世界一流的学术机构，顶级的博物馆对我们的项目有着浓厚的兴趣。
Wolf Rosenthal: 我非常期待你们在德国博物馆的出现。两年前，我看到了您策展的斯图加特博物馆《汉字与超现实主义》展览，在当地很震撼，您的学术设计很独特。西蓓莉是本世纪伟大的超现实主义艺术大师，她与常人的思考习惯不一样，我们看不到的，她可以看到，她把我们看不到的物体用她的超现实主义艺术语言表现出来，真是很神奇！我看到她画的汉字超现实主义作品，震撼！每个人看到两种不同艺术作品在一起，而又不可分开。我记得您和我说过，叫孪生作品（twin-work），这名字叫得好！觉得真是震撼，我们单独看书法看不懂的，当西蓓莉女士的超现实主义作品中体现了汉字书法的形与神的时候，我必须说震撼！
Weihong Yan: 是的，2014年，我集中精力把《汉字书法与超现实主义》斯图加特展做完了。每天24小时不停作业啊！哈哈......，德国方面要求严格，要求我专业运输，缴纳艺术品保险，2万美元。我支付不起，后来只好用印刷品了。我特别感谢两位大师，西蓓莉女士和赵宏老师，他们的艺术很精湛！谢谢您，我与您有同感！
Wolf Rosenthal: 是吗！？印刷品？可是我看到照片上是原作。印刷品那么好的效果！很美！展览完的作品在北京吗？
Weihong Yan: 不，不，作品在美国。拿到北京纸张的颜色会很快变色，因为北京污染很大。
Wolf Rosenthal: 有价值的艺术品需要有机材料包装，而且不易在污染地区久留。一定把您的学术成果发给世界看看。今天聊得太开心了，您来总结一下今天的思路可好？也希望简单说明一下您和西蓓莉，赵宏教授合作的超现实主义汉字书法的研究项目。最好您能降解一个例子来说明一下汉字书法与超现实主义绘画结合后的艺术作品。
Weihong Yan: 我会逐步把这些研究成果上了赵教授的个人网站。需要大量精力和完成精细的多语种工作。汉字书法本身与西方的超现实主义不是一类艺术，但是就其各自的文化背景和心理学潜意识方面看，还是有可比性和共性的。我认为有两个大的方面，一，从形式上，汉字来源自然，是文字对自然的抽象体现，而这种体现是具有提炼性的，书法与汉字密不可分，书法中的六个书体都有提炼性和抽象性。少量文字的出现起初是有规律性的，但是随着大量的文字出现，就很难保证原有的规律性对每一个单字去规律性的解释了，拼音文字尤其规律语言组合，但是，也许正是因为中国人的祖先在“六书”里也无法全部解释这个规律，因此汉字对后人就变得更挑战和有趣了。文字在对自然的表述当中参与了智者的创作过程，这种过程与超现实主义的艺术创作的illogical也许有近似指出；二，从创作的心理学方面来分析，尤其是超现实主义，与佛洛依德的哲学密不可分，我们不能忽视佛洛依德的哲学，他的哲学思想深深影响着我们生活的每一个方面，超现实主义艺术尤其不例外，它是佛洛依德心理学在艺术流派理论方面的基石，超现实主义是潜意识的再现，文字书写何尝不是呢，习书者常说一句话，书写时的气灌神韵，这里“”书法的创作过程更是一种艺术升华的潜意识过程。我们完全可以以佛洛依德心理学理论去分析几千年前中国汉字书法的创作“气”不单单是一种能量吧，从弗洛伊德精神分析学角度认识，它就是一种潜意识大脑行为活动（unconscious mind behave in calligraphy），从心理学的理论上研究书法书写过程，是完全可行的，只要你深刻理解佛洛依德的理论，并在实验室做大量的实验，结论是会很有趣的。我这里说的实验室，指的是我们自己的研究项目的地点。
说到此，我所管理的西蓓莉女士和赵宏教授合作的超现实主义汉字书法的研究项目十分有价值。西蓓莉以其超现实主义艺术语言对赵宏教授的六体书书法作品的诠释过程和表现令人十分震撼，这六体书分别是：甲骨文、金文、篆书、隶书、楷书和行草书六体。令人吃惊的是，西蓓莉女士以各种不同媒介创作了风格各异的超现实主义化了的汉字书法作品，其中包括邮递艺术汉字六体书、拼贴画汉字六体书、cut-outs汉字六体书、一笔画汉字六体书、水墨画汉字六体书、丙烯画汉字六体书等等。真是前所未有的创新！这是人类艺术史上的首次书法跨学科的合作。我为此发明了一个艺术词语，我称之为 “笔墨驰／BIMOCHi” 艺术流派。（请点击了解详情）
我以赵宏教授的书法作品 “女” 字为例，超现实主义化了的汉字书法“女” 字图，请看下图3。西蓓莉在她的作品创作中不仅仅给予了汉字书法作品在内容词义上更多的，扩展性的想象空间；而且，在其作品中，她绘画出了汉字书法的形与神，并与重叠复杂线条和谐平衡结合在一起；同时又保持和突出了“女”字在作品整体布局与层次上的重心与平衡；用极其流畅的，诗歌般的线条语言讲述着这个汉字“女”的字意（图1 和 图1-1），而整个绘画的过程在一气呵成中创作完毕。在看到西蓓莉作品中表达“女”字其字意时，我相信观者会产生fantasy的联想了，确实如此，我在把书法作品“女”字邮件给她之前，我也好奇的想过，她该如何在绘画语言中表达出“女”字的含义呢？西蓓莉女士确实是天才，图中你们可以看到，（图3）从左到右，第一图突出了女性乳房特征，第二，三幅，突出了女性生殖器的特征；她是如此巧妙表现汉字字意的。西蓓莉所用的绘画工具，纸张，画笔在整体上体现了黑白两大色块的完美布局，形成了与赵宏书法作品，或者说中国传统书法具有的黑白视觉效果达视觉单位的完美和谐和统一，这就是我提出的“孪生与蜕变”艺术系列作品。讲到这里，我很激动，我想再次告诉您，这确实是世界上最完美的汉字书法与超现实主义艺术的结合。类似这样的作品，我们已创作了上千幅了。我们甚至在研究世界上最古老的字典《说文解字》，世界上最古老的百科全书《尔雅》，和唐朝诗人司空图的《二十四诗品》等作品的西方超现实主义化。世界一流的博物馆在等待着我们与之合作展出这些作品，这将是21世纪中西方艺术最完美的跨学科的研究。
Wolf Rosenthal: 我看到了您发给西蓓莉的《说文解字》540部首的英文和德文翻译，您的德文翻译的也很好！这是对世界文化的巨大贡献，您可以去申请Balzan Prize奖了，德国汉学家雷德侯获得过此奖。您今天总结的太好了，如此独特的学术研究，您有一个跨学科的大脑，欧洲人喜欢您这样的思维方式，我都怀疑您是什么血统。这些项目应该写成书出版，拍成电影与世界分享。
Weihong Yan: 下次我们可以聊汉字书体与道家，道家与西方的阿婆罗精神，汉字书法与未来的智能化时代，毕加索的sublimation与书法家的创新，等等，都可以聊。
Wolf Rosenthal: 好啊！这些话题实在独特了，是很惊人的主题，浪漫的选题，好！聊得口有些干咳，我去沏茶，喝您给我邮寄来的红茶，这个红茶比英国的红茶都好，中国真是有好东东啊！谢谢，再见，伟红教授！
Weihong Yan: 多谢，不知不觉，5个小时过去了，好，您独自享受中国的茶吧！再次感谢， 晚安！
Salvador Dalí-The Persistence of Memory 1931
Michael Parkes （图5）
André Masson／(1-4- 1896 – 10-28-1987)
- Automatic drawing （图5）
Hong Zhao's calligraphy, character woman in running script 赵宏书法 （图1）
Sibylle Schwarz's one-line drawing of woman
西蓓莉超现实主义汉字 “女” （图1-1）
西蓓莉超现实主义绘画与赵宏汉字书法 - “女” （图3）
Dialogue on Chinese Calligraphy with a Famous German Journalist （2）
--- Professor Weihong Yan and Mr. Wolf Rosenthal talked about Chinese calligraphy and Surrealism
(March 24, 2017, Between Beijing, China and Hamburg, Germany via Internet)
Weihong Yan: Hello! Old friends, four or five years ago, on the new book "include million special cut into one phase: Chinese characters" six-body book "art" (referred to as "six-body book"), we had a good dialogue. Today we continue to talk about the topic of Chinese calligraphy. I propose, from the Chinese calligraphy and surrealist painting links, and the combination of the two, talk about our own views, how do you see The following are the same as the "
Wolf Rosenthal: Professor Wei Hong, this topic selected good! And very good! This topic is not only Westerners like to explore, I think the Chinese people should also like to discuss it? I do not understand your culture, with global thinking, art is the wealth of mankind, to explore this topic, I think my guess is not wrong.
Weihong Yan: You are a great journalist, you know Eastern and Western aesthetics, and is an enlightened "wise man". Thousands of years ago, the ancestors of mankind to explore the true colors of the world, the early wise man on the universe, overlooking life, thinking about nature and human society, I think the invention of the text and later perfection is derived from the wise view of the world The Look at the text of China 3 years ago to China's Oracle, for example, it is all shining the spirit of human civilization and human spirit of the light ah ... ... the awakening of ancient words from the beginning of her birth to reflect the West today The characteristics of the art school, which is the form of surrealism in the form of Oracle. The process of Chinese characters is also the history of the wise creation of civilization in ancient times. I will learn a lot of knowledge and talk to you today.
Wolf Rosenthal: Thank you for your compliment, simply I invented a "WOLF surrealist text", ha ha ha ... ... Professor Wei Hong's topic leads to clever. The text is a common language tool for mankind, the text of the Europeans originated from the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs, how to evolve into today's phonetic alphabet, I am not an expert, I do not understand, but this evolution is a great invention of the human wise man. I use the word "wise man", haha ....... Regardless of pinyin text or Chinese hieroglyphs are great inventions. From the relationship between surrealist art and writing, the European phonetic alphabet can hardly be linked to surrealism, unless the designer's design philosophy is added, and the phonetic alphabet is far less primitive than the surrealism of Chinese characters and surrealism Sex. Throughout the world of writing, this way, Chinese characters is very unique. Westerners like Chinese characters, as well as Japanese, Korean text, and so on, we all like it. We are curious about these text graphics, for the beautification of Chinese calligraphy, even more like, plus the Oracle to today's cursive different book changes, wow! Is really amazing!
Weihong Yan: brother, you know the different books of Chinese characters ah! amazing! Vertical thumbs to you ...
Wolf Rosenthal: not my great, and you and Professor Zhao Hong great, invented the "six-body book", let us Europe almost in three minutes to distinguish the Chinese characters from the ancient 5000 years of evolution, the last time we When talking, I said, your "six-body book" is a revolutionary book, we searched in the Internet for many years, never seen like "six-body book" such a good book! Are those who make people look very tedious, there is no beauty, difficult to understand the calligraphy books, who like, I do not know, I do not like. I am more than 70 this year, I should speak representative it, ha ha ha ... ... Well, do not complain, and that our topic. How do you understand Western surrealism?
Weihong Yan: Thank you again for your evaluation of our "six - body book". On the Western surrealism, I do not repeat the definition of the book, the definition of authority has long been. I will understand my mind, talk about my views, surrealism, from two levels to understand. First, because of its theoretical background for Freud's psychoanalytic theory, emphasizing intuition and subconsciousness, surrealist artists strive to express 90% of the so-called "unconsciousness" of the "iceberg theory", surrealist artists This consciousness + unconsciousness of the feeling, therefore, psychology also known as intuitionism (Intuitionism); second, from the artistic creation and visual point of view, surrealism that is non-realism. It has two extremes, one extreme is transcendent, that is, the conceptual expression of the illogical of the image, for example: in the painting lines through the flow of logic to express the artist's subconscious state, they also have a word called: automatism, or (1896 - 1987) - Automatic drawing (Figure 6) is one of the representatives of the German master Xi Beili is also a very typical figure (Figure 1-1) and (the number of German art master André Masson / Figure 2); the other extreme is, on the basis of realistic realism beyond the exaggerated, visually see the work is extremely exaggerated, because the works and people usually understand the real art is not the same, but the exaggeration may not be good The art of surrealism should be called the unconsciousness of the art, and the artistic language has a fantastic fantasy style, for example: Michael Parkes' works (Fig. 5) belong to this category. The industry says he is magical realism, and I do not think so, the definition of surrealist art style should first be based on the theory of Freudian psychology to determine. Michael Parkes' philosophy of art is entirely the expression of his subconscious mind, as he himself says, his work is his fantasy reproduction of his subconscious. Freudian psychoanalysis on the surrealist subconscious fantasy targeted research, look at Michael Parkes works, all with the surreal beauty of the beautiful and moving myth stories and pictures, to give the audience a lot of fantasy mood The From the perspective of psychology and lexicology, the meaning of fantasy is that a person has no sex, fantasy, but can not be achieved, or think of a dream lover, nor meet each other, this mental awareness activities called fantasy. The English Dictionary for fantasy is interpreted as: imagining impossible or improbable things ......., called "impossible / impossible", the artist can not use this in their own artistic language becomes possible, The awareness activity in the process of their creation is the category of surrealist art research. I believe you also have fantasy, haha, I say these, is to think that Western art circles on Michael Parkes' philosophy of art misleading is regrettable things. Michael is a surrealist artist who wants to say that he is "magical super realism" painter. I suddenly remembered, Ms. Xi Beili recently uploaded on facebook to mourn the portrait of any painting, the Chinese artist is a typical surrealist artist, Ren Hang wrote poetry reminds me of DH Lawrence's "Son and Valentine", "Son and Valentine" is the representative of Freudian psychoanalysis. Law and D.H. Lawrence are the best examples of the study of Florida's realism. In this way, surrealism refers to: Unreally, fantastically, illogically reflect artists' consciousness + unconsciousness of realm in their artworks, this is my definition. The typical figure is, Salvador Dalí-The Persistence of Memory 1931 (memory stick) (Figure 4). I wonder if I am clear?
Wolf Rosenthal: What is the theoretical basis for your understanding of surrealism?
Weihong Yan: My theoretical foundation is very simple, that is my understanding of surrealist art experience, to empiricism (pragmatic), coupled with the linguistic theory of the definition of out.
Wolf Rosenthal: Pragmatism good! Professors, entrepreneurs and politicians like this pragmatic theory, sorry, interrupted your ideas, please continue to say ... ... your empirical theory, coupled with linguistic theory, very interesting.
Weihong Yan: I like empiricism, the European Thales - the father of Western philosophy, its main point of view: all things are using their own experience to explain the natural phenomenon. The invention of Chinese characters is also derived from empiricism ...
Wolf Rosenthal: Yes, that is the doctrine of the doctrine of the wise school, and the word of the wise.
The term sur-real-ism is divided into three parts: prefix / prefix-root / root-suffix / suffix, sur = prefix, sur means "over, beyond" , Transcendence), "surrealism" comes from the French Surréalisme, meaning "transcend the truth, beyond reality". You understand what I mean, first of all real, and then on the basis of beyond the real ... ...
Wolf Rosenthal: Indeed, you first learn from the vocabulary of linguistics to the artwork itself, to understand the concept of surrealism, both simple and thorough, better than the definition of academic understanding, I like. I have heard that 300 million people in China learn English, give the 300 million people explain your theory, they are easier to understand, of course, they also know the art language, even better, very good! well! Your linguistics is solid! I was so wonderful when I was explaining the concept of surrealism, and I'd like to give you some praise, but I still finished reading your typing. The example of the air is good, the Europeans know him, like him ... ... Xi Beili also like him, to his portrait is also great. He is a genius artist, is the pride of the Chinese people, he lived real, we all know, life is touching, a person live really need courage, not just faith, sorry he went too early ... ... talk To fantasy, everyone has fantasy, life must have fantasy, the artist in particular need fantasy. West Beili, Dali, Picasso their fantasy particularly developed, I am more than 70 today, my fantasy is also very developed, Professor Wei Hong fantasy must be very developed ah. You want to admit, I understand the face of learning, I can see, ha ha ha ....... European companies in the design of the designer will give you a lot of fantasy and the subject to you to answer, no wonder the design of large companies such as Mercedes-Benz so competitive.
Weihong Yan: you are too humorous, say fantasy, reminds me of 96 years I watched TV in Florida home, there is a Ford car company 25 seconds long Lincoln Mercury advertising, Sex is the case, I will sing: "Imagine yourself in a Mercury now." Ha ha ha. But fantasy is also one of the core of Freudian psychoanalysis. Good art, people think, unforgettable.
In linguistics, I only have a bachelor's degree, but my understanding of the practicality of the language may not be worse than the linguistics of those doctoral degrees. Not because I like a lot of foreign languages, but my way of thinking about knowledge and perspective. According to our childhood education concept, today I should be a "fool", I have not been you advocated by the Germans thinking freedom of education philosophy. I remember my family education is no knowledge of the system of education, our parents are pre-liberation, China in the liberation before almost no national education, we were the school's education is also a lack of student-centered educational thinking. Let alone the critical innovation of new ideas of freedom. The discipline of the family is the traditional Confucius 's father' s dignity, freedom of thought, perhaps because of the lack of freedom and freedom of thought, so there is a break away from the bondage, the desire for free thinking in the heart of the outbreak, Self - cultivation of a critical thinking habit. Family education is obedient to the parents is the virtue, the resistance to be punished beaten, ha ha ha, my mother is so asked us that this is the law, she is today we said "tiger mother / tiger mother". I have a problem ...
Wolf Rosenthal: "Imagine yourself in a Mercury now." Ha ha ha, no side, we are chatting, not you do academic reports. Life has Freud's psychoanalytic theory everywhere. I see tiger mother good, Professor Wei Hong, your father and mother to cultivate you such a good son! Admire them very much. Well, we are surrealism with Chinese characters. Where is it, I am confused, ha ha ha ... ...
Weihong Yan: We talked about my understanding of surrealism, sorry.
Wolf Rosenthal: Yes, on your understanding, of course, you already understand the very flexible and very brilliant, you are very aware of our surrealist genre. Chinese calligraphy and surrealism in my opinion is indeed their contact, after listening to your theory above, I suddenly see the light. From the Chinese ancestors to the idea of the Chinese characters, to the calligraphy to beautify the Chinese characters, is not the human observation of nature and create the text of the surreal abstract works! It was so funny that I had never thought of it before! Your "six-body book" inspired me too much, I do not spend a lot of time to see "six-body book", you said today, I can not understand, and now I understand. So how is the ancestors of the Chinese people painted words? The words they painted, I see in your "six-body book" is the picture, such as: horse, mountain, water, people, etc., is this like it? The following are the same as the "
Weihong Yan: Sorry, calligraphy is not painting, is written.
Wolf Rosenthal: is right, yes, my thoughts went to surrealist paintings. I am sorry!
Weihong Yan: Yes, with Westerners look at the Chinese calligraphy, you mentioned above Zhao's Chinese calligraphy, horse, mountain, water, etc., to your European view, is indeed a kind of Oriental surrealist calligraphy Works of the work. Chinese ancestors in the creation of words is from the natural access to information, to draw the way to make the word, the Egyptian text is also the way of making the word. Egyptian and Chinese are beautiful, but the Egyptian and Chinese are not the same, and the Chinese characters are closer to your surrealist paintings, while the Egyptian script is not, they are realistic, Egyptian Hieroglyphics should be more logical. That is, we just said the logic, and most of the Chinese characters is illogical surrealist abstract text.
Wolf Rosenthal: My God, that's it! The analysis was in place. We are phonetic text thinking habits, do not know how hieroglyphics, then the Chinese characters have their own rules? Or does the composition of Chinese characters have its natural laws? Is it logical?
Weihong Yan: I just said that the Chinese characters have some illogical, the Chinese character itself has its laws, but there is no theory can be on the structure of the Chinese characters made it easy to understand, or completely clear. Chinese characters have "six books making" method, the Han Dynasty scholars to the composition and use of Chinese characters into six types, they are: pictograms, refers to things, knowing, phonetic, transfer and under the guise, collectively called six books. Even the Chinese people do not understand what is the "six books made", not a simple question, but I admire the Western Sinologists even in the study of Chinese characters "six books" theory, and even the book said ah. Among them, I remember, the most authoritative is the British sinologist, LC Hopkins, (1854-1952), (15:15), (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Charles_Hopkins) Lenee - Hopkins is great, he Studied Oracle, and collected a lot of Oracle fragments, died before he donated these Oracle fragments to the Cambridge University Library. I read the book he wrote about the theory of the six books, elaborated on the principle of writing the six books of Chinese characters, very interesting. He arrived in China in 1874, the second time in 1902 came to China, lived in my hometown of Shanxi, he also said Shanxi dialect.
Wolf Rosenthal: too interesting, Professor Wei Hong, China or the United States have a calligraphy professional? We are not in Germany! I mean calligraphy and Western philosophy of interdisciplinary research, do you have a doctoral student? I am not compliment you, because your ideas are very unique, Chinese and Western culture requires you to such a person to graft, this meaning is too far away, the West and the East have great value. We need to understand the history of human communication between the two worlds. Chinese calligraphy as a bridge link is the best point of entry ah. I have seen a lot of calligraphers from China, and they talked to them, asked them calligraphy and Western art interdisciplinary research, they seem to know nothing, I also asked the German sinologists, they are not on calligraphy Understand, feel not ideal. You choose this combination, really good! I see Professor Zhao on the website of a word, said very well, he said: "" If you understand the Chinese calligraphy, you understand the Chinese. "Calligraphy is indeed a good bridge.
We have just said that the wise man in Europe, the wise man is the traditional sense of the concept, the wise refers to the Socrates and Aristotle philosopher, in China, he is the Taoist and Confucian philosophy, Learn to appreciate the art of calligraphy, Taoism also need to understand our Western aesthetics. Wise people like to seek the truth, like you, understand the aesthetic of the East and West, know how to calligraphy to our favorite thinking habits introduced to us, explore the integration of Western and Oriental humanities, you are a wise man! I like! Six books can not explain the theory, how do we solve? Let it not explain it? Human beings have the responsibility to complete this mission, let the world know the charm of calligraphy Chinese characters!
Weihong Yan: Thank you for your enthusiasm and understanding! I am grateful for your love of Chinese culture! In fact, in the eyes of the Chinese people is not understood, the value of Chinese characters may turn a blind eye, many people like worshiper, very terrible, their civilization so valuable, but ignore her! Very sad. Chinese people do not know a few Oracle, less! Rarely!
Wolf Rosenthal: I heard, I know, Qin Shi Huang have burned book Confucianism, today's 21st century, the situation will be good, right? I'm sorry, I hope I did not offend your culture.
Weihong Yan: Today we are here to talk about the relationship between Chinese calligraphy and surrealism. Need to have the cultural background of the East and West, or how to talk about the romantic home, and the spirit of the royal gods, and how to Confucianism, and the spirit of Dai Niosuo it! It is more likely to take Chinese calligraphy and surrealism contrast. We are professors, some people like the esoteric academic subject matter, but the twenty-first century of knowledge is inseparable from critical thinking, and innovation. To say that, in short, the East and the West have their common thinking. Today's Chinese are struggling to find the commonality of the East and the West in order to find the entry point for the promotion of Chinese culture. In fact, the philosophy of learning the East and the West may find a solution for the integration of culture into the world for many disciplines. Speaking of the 21st century calligraphy present situation, unfortunately, China has not a Chinese calligraphy culture of a century plan strategy, did not hear the calligraphy and Western disciplines of interdisciplinary research strategy.
Wolf Rosenthal: Do you say the Taoist and the spirit of the royal gods, Confucianism and the days of the Niñoosi, is the West and the East romantic and the spirit of the contrast? Chinese and Western fusion comparison, this is a key, need to promote your thinking. I agree, just like our last conversation. I remember that you have said: "Whether it is art or philosophy, and whether it is the West or the East, the art of the world together, (Art Unites of the People of the Earth.) We all have the same wisdom, the aesthetic of the East and West And creative thinking have their own methodology, the results are the same, and ultimately we are the same thing, the Chinese calligraphy style and Western minimalism (Minimalism) coincide is the best example, really amazing!
Germany has tens of thousands of museums, they focus on educational projects, state funding, developed from small art education. Absorb multi-cultural wisdom, among the education, so we have Mercedes-Benz, BMW, ha ha ha, are China's favorite local stuff, ha ha ha! I'm talking about China 's network popular buzz word. I have a few words ... we are really free to chat. Then talk about calligraphy and surrealism. I read the Chinese calligraphy is a cosmic infinite treasure ah, this is what I look at your social networking site on the introduction of calligraphy culture point of view. Is that so? The following are the same as the "
Weihong Yan: Yes, I have a lot of ideas. Chinese calligraphy is not only closely related to surrealism, but he can connect with many disciplines, such as mathematics, architecture, design, engineering, etc., Of course, today we can not leave the big trend, the digital age of technology, the future of artificial intelligence, and so on, as long as you can think of. One of the greatest values of Chinese calligraphy is that it can bring great inspiration to mankind, which is unparalleled. I remember a scholar in the West once said that Chinese calligraphy is infinitely variable, like the infinite changes in the universe. I need to check out the scholar's specific name. In the education of the United States, we advocate innovation, innovation, the most need to get inspiration, what can inspire your students to innovate a new invention? Any kind of thing is possible, but the Chinese calligraphy as a 5,000-year civilization is a complete system, she brought to today's education is not just enlightenment, there may be greater value, as you just Said, six books did not explain the problem of Chinese characters, why do not we improve it? Ask the question to solve the problem, this is not what I said, is Einstein's famous words.
Wolf Rosenthal: In fact, Professor Wei Hong, today we are not talking about calligraphy and surrealism alone, talking about philosophy, talking to your wise man, talking about our understanding of the Western and Eastern culture in the humanities is indeed very important The Education emancipate your mind, you have been well educated! Look at your thoughts today, such as Yongquan, like to listen to your philosophy, through the arts to talk about philosophy, has always been the ancient Greek doctrine. Philosophy and art is one. Ancient Greek academic system, art is not today's art, he is a comprehensive subject of the College of Humanities. I have a question, does China have surrealism? Popular?
Weihong Yan: profound, basic humanities, this is a common sense problem, academic research should be obtained from common sense, esoteric knowledge, may not be applicable, and, may mislead the students, but also no pragmatic value. Do you ask China to have surrealism? China has! If, according to my understanding of surrealism, China's contemporary art trend, is a surrealist trend of thought, not only the world of contemporary art creation by the impact of surrealism is very large, China is no exception, contemporary art itself is very Surreal, the Chinese artist's writing language is 'contemporary', so the Chinese contemporary artists are 'surreal'. Even the famous French art critic and curator Didier Ottinger said: "China 's artistic situation has gone beyond this stage.
Wolf Rosenthal: Will you really combine Chinese calligraphy and surrealism in the future? The following are the same as the "
Weihong Yan: It is a good idea to study the formation of Chinese characters in western philosophy, especially the interdisciplinary research of Chinese calligraphy and western disciplines. Surrealism in the last century, surging art movement so far, not only did not decline, and become the mainstream of world art, from the United States primary and secondary art education point of view, surrealism education and contemporary art combine to generate a new interdisciplinary Art, can be thought of surrealism art education charm. Professor Zhao Hong and I firmly believe in the interdisciplinary approach of Chinese calligraphy. We must lead the innovation direction of the domain through the study of Chinese calligraphy and surrealism, and strive to establish our own academic system, not only in the international Of the education, while focusing on the combination with the business, so that reflect the value of money.
At the moment of talking to you, there is a lot of illusion of calligraphy and surrealism in my consciousness. This illusion is not unconciousness of Freudian psychology, or it is Vasily Kandinsky Synesthesia. Why is it so that I think it may be influenced by the art of surrealism. In the definition of scientific definition of surrealism, it is inseparable from the subconscious elements of Freudian psychology, and the characteristics of Chinese calligraphy art has a very rich unconciousness, so why I am very confident to calligraphy and surrealist philosophy of art Combined with the contrast, I think this is a major reason for it In short, calligraphy and surrealism dialogue, can be sure that, regardless of its theoretical basis, or artistic expression, are a huge comparability. This is a very good discovery, in the past six years, Ms. Xi Beili, Professor Zhao Hong and I have been committed to the combination of Chinese calligraphy and surrealism. Created a large number of new works, which in the history of art is also an unprecedented research project. World-class academic institutions, the top museums have a strong interest in our projects.
Wolf Rosenthal: I am looking forward to your presence at the German Museum. Two years ago, I saw Stuttgart's "Chinese Character and Surrealism" exhibition, very shocking in the local, your design is very unique. Xibei Li is the great surrealist master of this century, she is not the same as ordinary people's thinking habits, we can not see, she can see that she can not see the object with her surrealist art language Show it, it is amazing! I see her paintings of surrealism in Chinese characters, shocking! Everyone sees two different works of art together, and can not be separated. I remember you and I said, called twin works (twin-work), this name is called well! Feel really shocked, we can not read the calligraphy alone, when Ms. Xi Beili's surrealist works reflect the shape of the Chinese calligraphy and God, I must say shock!
Weihong Yan: Yes, in 2014, I focused on the "Chinese calligraphy and surrealism" Stuttgart exhibition done. 24 hours a day non-stop operation ah! Haha ... ... Germany requires strict, requiring me to professional transport, payment of art insurance, 20,000 US dollars. I can not afford to pay, and later had to use the printed matter. I am particularly grateful to the two masters, Ms. Xi Beili and Zhao Hong teachers, their art is superb! Thank you, I share with you!
Wolf Rosenthal: Are you? The printed matter? But I see the picture is the original. Printed matter so good effect! Beautiful! Did the exhibition work in Beijing?
Weihong Yan: No, no, in the United States. Get the color of Beijing paper will soon change color, because Beijing is very polluted.
Wolf Rosenthal: Valuable works of art need organic packaging and are not easy to stay in contaminated areas. Be sure to send your academic results to the world. Chat too happy today, you come to sum up today's ideas can be good? Also wish to briefly explain what you and Xi Beili, Professor Zhao Hong cooperation of surrealist Chinese calligraphy research project. It is best to be able to degrade an example to illustrate the art of combining Chinese calligraphy with surrealism.
Weihong Yan: I will gradually put these research results on the website of Professor Zhao. Need a lot of energy and complete the fine work. Chinese calligraphy itself and Western surrealism is not a class of art, but on their respective cultural background and psychological subconscious aspects, there is still comparable and common. I think there are two big aspects, one, from the form, the natural origin of Chinese characters, is the abstract reflection of the nature of the text, and this embodiment is refined, calligraphy and Chinese characters inseparable, calligraphy in the six books Are abstract and abstract. The text at first is a regular, but with a large number of words appear, it is difficult to ensure that the regularity of each word to the regularity of the interpretation, perhaps it is because the Chinese ancestors can not explain this law, so Chinese characters become more challenging and interesting to future generations. A large number of words gradually tend to the direction of the development of irregular logic, the text in the expression of the natural involved in the creation of the wise process, this process and surrealist art creation illogical may have pointed out; Second, from the creation of the psychological Learning, especially surrealism, is inseparable from the philosophical philosophy of Freud, we can not ignore the philosophy of Freud, his philosophical thought deeply affects every aspect of our life, surrealism Art is, in particular, the cornerstone of Freudian psychology in the art school theory, surrealism is the subconscious reproduction, writing is not it, the practitioners often say a word, when writing gas tank charm, here "" Calligraphy creation process is a sublimation of art sublimation process. We can be based on the theory of psychological psychology to analyze the Chinese calligraphy calligraphy thousands of years ago, "Qi" is not just an energy it, from the perspective of Freudian psychoanalysis, it is a subconscious brain Behavioral practice (unconscious mind behave in calligraphy), from the theory of psychology to study the calligraphy writing process is entirely feasible, as long as you deeply understand the theory of Freud and in the laboratory to do a lot of experiments, the conclusion will be interesting. I am talking about the laboratory, referring to the location of our own research project.
Speaking of Xi Beili, Professor Zhao Hong co-operation of the surrealist Chinese calligraphy research project. Xibei Li in his surrealist art language on Professor Zhao Hong's six-body calligraphy works of interpretation and performance is very shocking, these six books are: Oracle, gold, seal, official script, regular script and cursive Six body. Surprisingly, Ms. Xi Bei Li created a variety of surrealist Chinese calligraphy works in various media, including postal art Chinese characters, collage Chinese characters, cut-outs Chinese characters six-body book, a painting of Chinese characters six-body book, ink painting Chinese characters six-body book, acrylic painting Chinese characters and so on. Really unprecedented innovation! This is the first calligraphy interdisciplinary collaboration in the history of human art. I invented an art word for this, I call it "pen Chi Chi / BIMOCHi" art school. (Please click for details)
I take Professor Zhao Hong's calligraphy works "female" as an example, surrealism of the Chinese characters "female" word map, see below (Figure 3). Xi Beili's works not only give the Chinese calligraphy works in the content of more expansion of the imagination; and, in his works, while she also painted the shape of Chinese calligraphy and God, and with other complex lines Together with the focus of the "female" in the overall layout of the work; with extremely smooth, poetry-like lines of language about the Chinese characters themselves (Figure 1 and Figure 1-1). To see its meaning, I believe that the viewer will produce fantasy, and I put the "female" calligraphy works e-mail to her before I am curious to think about how she painted the "female" the meaning of the word? (Figure 3) from left to right, the first figure highlights the female breast, second, three, highlighting the female genitalia; she is so clever performance of Chinese characters (Figure 3) from the left to the right, the first figure highlights the female breast, Meaning. The painting tools, paper and brushes used by Xi Beili are the perfect layout of the two black and white patches, and formed the perfect harmony and unity of the black and white visual effects with Zhao Hong's calligraphy works, or Chinese traditional calligraphy. Is my "twin" art series of works. Speaking of which, I am very excited, I would like to tell you once again that this is indeed the world's most perfect combination of Chinese calligraphy and surrealism. Similar to this work, we have created thousands of the. We even study the world's oldest dictionary "Shuowen Jiezi", the world's oldest encyclopedia "Ya", and the Tang Dynasty poet Sikong Tu's "twenty-four poems" and other works of surrealism The
Wolf Rosenthal: I have seen you in the English and German translations of the "Shuo Wen Jie Zi" 540, which you sent to Xi Beili, and your German translation is also very good! This is a great contribution to the world's culture, summed up the great, so unique academic research, you are simply an interdisciplinary brain, Europeans like your way of thinking, I doubt what you are descent. These projects should be written in a book, made into a movie and shared with the world.
Speaking of the artistic style of harmony and unity, a person easy to do artistic style of unity, harmony, for example, Picasso's Cubist language, Dali and Miro's artistic language, have their own unity. It is not easy for the art language of two completely different cultural backgrounds to be so harmonious and united. You are a genius! I am particularly curious about how you started this way? How did the first work of your three people be born? I know that Zhao teacher does not understand English, Ms. Xi Beili do not understand Chinese, what motivates you for the first time and Ms. Xi Beili, Zhao teacher proposed this surrealism and Chinese calligraphy research project. Talk very well today! The next time we then talk about calligraphy and Western art, next time we plan to talk about what is it? The following are the same as the "
Weihong Yan: The next time we can talk Chinese characters with Taoism, Taoism and Western Sparrow Spirit, Chinese Calligraphy and Future Intelligent Times, Picasso's sublimation and calligrapher's innovation, and so on, can talk.
Wolf Rosenthal: Okay! These topics are unique, is a very amazing theme, romantic topics, good! Chat some mouth dry cough, I went to tea, drink you to my mail to the black tea, the black tea is better than the British black tea, China is really good stuff ah! Thank you, goodbye, Professor Wei Hong!
Weihong Yan: Thank you, unknowingly, 5 hours passed, well, you enjoy the Chinese tea alone! Thanks again, good night!